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Husband: | William Henry GROVES (c. 1855- ) | |
Wife: | Elizabeth FORSHAW (c. 1858- ) | |
Children: | Walter R GROVES (c. 1881- ) | |
James GROVES (c. 1883- ) | ||
Emma GROVES (c. 1883- ) | ||
Agnes GROVES (c. 1886- ) | ||
Elizabeth GROVES (c. 1888- ) | ||
Lucy GROVES (1890-1965) | ||
Alice GROVES (c. 1895- ) | ||
William GROVES (c. 1898- ) | ||
Lily GROVES (c. 1900- ) | ||
Marriage | Q3 1878 | Preston, Lancashire, England1,2 |
at St Luke's Preston |
Name: | William Henry GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Male | |
Father: | John GROVES (c. 1833-1901) | |
Mother: | Sophia WRIGHT (c. 1833- ) | |
Birth | c. 1855 | Brentford, Middlesex, England |
Occupation | Gas Stoker, Labourer, Brickyard worker | |
Census | 7 Apr 1861 (age 6) | Shoreditch, London, England5 |
27 Smiths Buildings, Shoreditch Tower Hamlets | ||
Census | 2 Apr 1871 (age 16) | Norwood, Middlesex, England6 |
Hayes, Norwood | ||
Occupation | 2 Apr 1871 (age 16) | Labourer; Norwood, Middlesex, England6 |
Census | 3 Apr 1881 (age 26) | Norwood, Middlesex, England7 |
Western Road | ||
Occupation | 3 Apr 1881 (age 26) | Brickfield labourer; Norwood, Middlesex, England7 |
Census | 5 Apr 1891 (age 37) | North Hyde, Middlesex, England8 |
7 Tildesleys Low Cots, Western Road, Norwoods Note added to the Groves entry in the enumerators Book. " Should have followed schedule Number 190 but accidentally omitted - tenement (part of house) schedule 193). It would have been next door to his parents. |
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Occupation | 5 Apr 1891 (age 37) | Gas stoker; North Hyde, Middlesex, England8 |
Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 46) | Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Tiddesley Cott, Western Road, Norwood | ||
Occupation | 31 Mar 1901 (age 46) | General Labourer; Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Name: | Elizabeth FORSHAW3,4 | |
Sex: | Female | |
Father: | - | |
Mother: | - | |
Birth | c. 1858 | Preston, Lancashire, England |
Census | 3 Apr 1881 (age 22) | Norwood, Middlesex, England7 |
Western Road | ||
Census | 5 Apr 1891 (age 38) | North Hyde, Middlesex, England8 |
7 Tildesleys Low Cots, Western Road, Norwoods | ||
Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 43) | Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Tiddesley Cott, Western Road, Norwood |
Name: | Walter R GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Male | |
Birth | c. 1881 | Norwood, Middlesex, England |
Census | 3 Apr 1881 (age 2 mns) | Norwood, Middlesex, England7 |
Western Road | ||
Census | 5 Apr 1891 (age 10) | Southall, Middlesex, England10 |
5, Bell's Charity, Norwood Walter is with his grandparents. |
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Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 20) | Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Tiddesley Cott, Western Road, Norwood | ||
Occupation | 31 Mar 1901 (age 20) | Labourer; Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Name: | James GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Male | |
Birth | c. 1883 | Norwood, Middlesex, England |
Census | 5 Apr 1891 (age 8) | North Hyde, Middlesex, England8 |
7 Tildesleys Low Cots, Western Road, Norwoods | ||
Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 18) | Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Tiddesley Cott, Western Road, Norwood | ||
Occupation | 31 Mar 1901 (age 18) | Carter; Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Name: | Emma GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Female | |
Birth | c. 1883 | Southall, Middlesex, England |
Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 8) | Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Tiddesley Cott, Western Road, Norwood |
Name: | Agnes GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Female | |
Birth | c. 1886 | Norwood, Middlesex, England |
Census | 5 Apr 1891 (age 5) | North Hyde, Middlesex, England8 |
7 Tildesleys Low Cots, Western Road, Norwoods |
Name: | Elizabeth GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Female | |
Birth | c. 1888 | Norwood, Middlesex, England |
Census | 5 Apr 1891 (age 3) | North Hyde, Middlesex, England8 |
7 Tildesleys Low Cots, Western Road, Norwoods |
Name: | Lucy GROVES4 | |
Sex: | Female | |
Spouse: | William HEARD (1885-1950) | |
Birth | 26 Apr 1890 | Southall, Middlesex, England11,12 |
Census | 5 Apr 1891 (age 11 mns) | North Hyde, Middlesex, England8 |
7 Tildesleys Low Cots, Western Road, Norwoods | ||
Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 11) | Norwood, Middlesex, England13 |
Bells Charity Cottage Western road | ||
Census | 2 Apr 1911 (age 20) | Norwood, Middlesex, England14 |
11 Albert Road, Southall | ||
Death | 1965 (age 74-75) | Southall - Ealing Registration District, London, England12,15 |
Name: | Alice GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Female | |
Birth | c. 1895 | Southall, Middlesex, England |
Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 6) | Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Tiddesley Cott, Western Road, Norwood |
Name: | William GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Male | |
Birth | c. 1898 | Southall, Middlesex, England |
Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 3) | Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Tiddesley Cott, Western Road, Norwood |
Name: | Lily GROVES3,4 | |
Sex: | Female | |
Birth | c. 1900 | Southall, Middlesex, England |
Census | 31 Mar 1901 (age 1) | Norwood, Middlesex, England9 |
Tiddesley Cott, Western Road, Norwood |
In 1881 William, Elizabeth and Walter are Western Road, Norwood. In 1891 the family is living in "a tenement" in Western Road, Norwood, almost ommitted by the enumerator according to a note. In 1901 Lucy is with her grandmother, next door to the rest of the family. Her name looks like it's Sophia Groves, a retired dressmaker, and her widowed sister Ella or Eliza Sanford is living with them. Grand mother is 68, sister is 64. Both born in New Brentford, Middx. Ancestry.com has wrongly transcribed the family as Grones. Unusually the 1901 census was more helpful.
In 1911William and Elizabeth are with son Henry and daughter Lily, at 1 Tildesley Low Cottages, Southall, Middlesex.
1 | "GRO". Brentford 3a 60. Cit. Date: Q1 1880. |
2 | "Marriage Certificate". |
3 | "File (merged): C:\Program Files\FamilyTree\Families\groves.ged". Record originated in... |
4 | "Nick Heard". www.heardfamilyhistory.org.uk. This GEDCOM is predominantly the work of Nick Heard, but it incorporates the collaborated work of many other family historians. You are welcome to use the information herein but please acknowledge the source. Every effort has been made to ensure the data is accurate, but any use you make of it is entirely at your own risk. (c) Nick Heard 2009 |
5 | "Census 1861 Shoreditch,London Shoreditch St Leonard ED 11 RG9/230 Folio 75 Page 37 (John Groves)". |
Text From Source: Name Related Cond Age Occupation Birth Place John Groves Head Mar 28 Porter to a Leather Seller Heston, Middlesex Sophia Groves Wife Mar 30 New Brentford, Middlesex Lucy Unknown MotLaw Wid 69 Brentford, Middlesex William H Groves Son Unm 6 Scholar Brentford, Middlesex John Groves Son Unm 4 Scholar Brentford, Middlesex Sarah Groves Dau Unm 1 Brentford, Middlesex |
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Shoreditch St Leonard ED 11 RG9/230 Folio 75 Page 37. Cit. Date: 7 April 1861. Assessment: Secondary evidence. |
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6 | "Census 1871 Norwood, London Uxbridge, Hayes, Norwood ED 10 RG10/1311 Folio 94 Page 40 (John Groves)". |
Text From Source: Name Related Cond Age Occupation Birth Place John Groves Head Mar 38 Labourer Heston, Middlesex Sophia Groves Wife Mar 39 New Brentford, Middlesex William H Groves Son Unm 16 Labourer Brentford, Middlesex John Groves Son Unm 13 Labourer Brentford, Middlesex Robert J. Groves Son Unm 8 Scholar Norwood, London Thomas R Groves Son Unm 4 Scholar Norwood, London |
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Uxbridge, Hayes, Norwood ED 10 RG10/1311 Folio 94 Page 40. Cit. Date: 2 April 1871. Assessment: Secondary evidence. |
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7 | "Census 1881 Norwood, London Norwood ED 9 RG11/1336 Folio 19 Page 32 (William Groves)". |
Text From Source: Name Related Cond Age Occupation Birth Place William H Groves Head Mar 26 Brickfield labourer Brentford, Middlesex Elizabeth Mary Groves Wife Mar 22 Preston, Lancashire Walter R Groves Son Unm 2 mths Southall, Middlesex |
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Norwood ED 9 RG11/1336 Folio 19 Page 32. Cit. Date: 3 April 1881. Assessment: Secondary evidence. |
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8 | "Census 1891 North Hyde, Middlesex Norwood ED10 RG12/1022 Folio 54 Page 49 (William Groves)". |
Text From Source: Name Related Cond Age Occupation Birth Place William H Groves Head M 37 Gas stoker Brentford, Middlesex Elizabeth Mary Groves Wife M 38 Preston, Lancashire James Groves Son S 8 Scholar Norwood, London Agnes Groves Dau S 5 Scholar Norwood, London Elizabeth Groves Dau S 3 Norwood, London Lucy Groves Dau S 11 mths Southall, Middlesex |
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Norwood ED10 RG12/1022 Folio 54 Page 49. Cit. Date: 5 April 1891. Assessment: Secondary evidence. |
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9 | "Census 1901 Norwood, London Norwood ED 11 RG13/1182 Folio 5 Page 1 (William Groves)". |
Text From Source: Name Related Cond Age Occupation Birth Place William H Groves Head M 46 General Labourer Brentford, Middlesex Elizabeth Mary Groves Wife M 43 Preston, Lancashire Walter R Groves Son S 20 Labourer Southall, Middlesex James Groves Son S 18 Carter Norwood, London Emma Groves Dau S 8 Scholar Southall, Middlesex Alice Groves Dau S 6 Scholar Southall, Middlesex William Groves Son S 3 Southall, Middlesex Lily Groves Dau S 1 Southall, Middlesex |
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Norwood ED 11 RG13/1182 Folio 5 Page 1. Cit. Date: 31 March 1901. Assessment: Secondary evidence. |
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10 | "Census 1891 Southall, Middlesex ED 10 RG12/1022 Folio 46 Page 33 (John Groves)". |
Text From Source: Name Related Cond Age Occupation Birth Place John Groves Head M 59 Brickmaker Heston, Middlesex Sophia Groves Wife M 60 New Brentford, Middlesex George Groves Son S 20 Fireman Railway Engine Norwood, London Walter R Groves Grandson 10 Scholar Southall, Middlesex |
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ED 10 RG12/1022 Folio 46 Page 33. Cit. Date: 5 April 1891. Assessment: Secondary evidence. |
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11 | "GRO". Uxbridge 3a page 41. Cit. Date: "Apr -Jun Q 1890". |
12 | "File (merged): C:\Program Files\FamilyTree\Families\groves.ged". |
13 | "Census 1901 Norwood, London Norwood ED 11 RG13/1182 Folio 5 Page 1 (Sophia Groves nee Wright)". |
Text From Source: Name Related Cond Age Occupation Birth Place Sophia Wright Head W 68 Retired Dressmaker New Brentford, Middlesex Eliza Wright Sis W 64 Retired Dressmaker New Brentford, Middlesex Lucy Groves Granddaur S 11 Scholar Southall, Middlesex |
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Norwood ED 11 RG13/1182 Folio 5 Page 1. Cit. Date: 31 March 1901. Assessment: Secondary evidence. |
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14 | "Census 1911 Norwood, London, England RG14/6797 RG78/339 RD127 SD3 ED15 SN230 (William Heard)". |
Text From Source: Name Related Cond Age Occupation Birth Place William Heard Head Mar 25 Joiner Crediton , Devon, England Lucy Heard Wife Mar 20 Southall, Middlesex, England Ethel May Heard Dau Unm 7 mths Southall, Middlesex, England |
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RG14/6797 RG78/339 RD127 SD3 ED15 SN230. Cit. Date: 2 April 1911. Assessment: Secondary evidence. |
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15 | "GRO". Ealing 5b 142. Cit. Date: "Dec Q 1965". |